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carolinejq
11-18-2018, 05:27 PM
Hi all, we have a 5 year old son who currently is in a good elementary school in Brooklyn. We are renting but looking to buy in the next year (700-800k budget for 2 bedroom), so are looking for an area that has guaranteed (or as close as possible to guaranteed) good elementary, middle and high schools. In Brooklyn, admissions to good middle schools seems to be a lottery. Are there areas in Queens or Long Island that meet this criteria, where admissions is based on address? We are considering New Jersey (Summit and Westfield) but ideally would like live in a location with a higher walkability score, like Queens or Long Island.

GregsTutoringNYC
11-19-2018, 07:38 AM
Although there are schools which do consistently well, usually you won't get all three of elementary, middle and high school.

Secondly, there is no guarantees and some schools over years can fluctuate so can be on the rise or decline and you won't know about it until you're in the thick or it because it will be happening live organically. Could be a change in principal. Could be a bunch of things. Also, with recent discussions about diversity, possible removal of the SHSAT, etc. the whole complete dynamics of middle schools could literally change overnight and take years to re-metabolize itself.

BTW, currently admission to some middle schools includes and admissions test, although the number of schools with such is small. Note that unlike years ago where you were just placed into your local middle school you now go through a middle school selection process. Some will take local kids some will take commuting kids. Get a copy of this years middle school handbook (it is online) and give it a look to start getting some ideas about where the schools are, what their admissions deets are, etc. So you could be moving where you child is not going to school. Yadda yadda.

This all said, what matters just as much and sometimes more is the family unit and the child.

new2DOE
11-20-2018, 07:12 AM
Carolinejq, eastern Queens has good zoned schools for all three. (Bayside, Douglaston, Little Neck) For the amount you're looking to spend, smaller townhouses and condos/co-ops might fit the bill. For LI, think Great Neck, Manhasset if you want to be closer to the city with a shorter LIRR commute. The Jericho and Syosset school districts further out are way better than the NJ towns you are looking at. The problem with NJ is that while the township elementary schools by can be great, they later feed into mediocre central high schools. Definitely try renting first to get a feel. You'd be surprised how many return to the crappy NYC system after giving it a go elsewhere, especially if you are a native Brooklynite. :) Check websites like schooldigger.com for school reports and zillow/realtor.com for real estate prices. Never undersestimate the annual property taxes that go up in LI or in NJ if looking to buy. Good luck.

carolinejq
11-20-2018, 07:43 AM
Thank you very much! It's good to know about there not being any guarantees here.

carolinejq
11-20-2018, 07:44 AM
This is really helpful new2DOE! I am definitely going to look into these locations. THANK YOU!! (http://www.theschoolboards.com/member.php/7122-new2DOE)

GregsTutoringNYC
11-20-2018, 05:14 PM
FWIW, here's a list of some of the more top ranked middle schools. This list is not intended to be complete. And what it means is up to you. Some of these school require admissions testing. Some are K-8.

Brooklyn:
IS 239 Mark Twain
IS 98 Bay Academy
IS 187 Christa McAuliffe
MS 234 Arthur Cunningham
MS 201 Dyker Heights
MS 259 William McKinley
MS 51 William Alexander
MS 447 Math and Science Exploratory
IS 180 Seeall Academy
IS 686 Brooklyn School of Inquiry

Manhattan:
MS 54 Booker T. Washington
MS 412 NYC Lab
MS 539 New Explorations into Science, Technology and Math School
MS 167 Robert F. Wagner
MS 114 East Side Middle School
MS 255 Salk School of Science
PS 334 Anderson
IS 104 Simon Baruch

Queens
MS 74 Nathaniel Hawthorne
MS 216 George J. Ryan
MS 185 Edward Bleeker
MS 158 Marie Curie
MS 67 Louis Pasteur
IS 73 Frank Sansivieri
MS 580 Baccalaureate School for Global Education
IS 119 Glendale
IS 194 William Carr
IS 190 Russell Sage
IS 237 Rachel Carson
IS 157 Stephen A. Halsey
IS 5 Walter Crowley
PS 122 Mamie Fay
IS 125 Thom J. McCann Woodside

Look these up in the middle school handbooks for further details whether location, admissions process, etc.

parentnyc1mp
11-21-2018, 06:51 AM
Note the district the school is in, as admissions have changed and will continue. District 15 (Park Slope such as MS51) schools are no longer screened - it is a lottery process with 50% reserved for ELL, Low Income, Homeless. For one Manhattan district (I think UWS), i believe 25% is set aside for low scorers for middle schools). High schools are also setting aside around 50 % to ELL, Low income, etc. (Bard Queens, Brooklyn Millennium this year)

GregsTutoringNYC
11-21-2018, 07:29 AM
Yes, some as I understand it are even changing live, so check websites etc for last minute changes and not just depending upon the predone handbooks which might be outdated (this is always true).

QueensMom
11-22-2018, 06:38 PM
"High schools are also setting aside around 50 % to ELL, Low income, etc. (Bard Queens, Brooklyn Millennium this year)

Is this true now. Do many HS now have set asides ? Anyone has a reference link to understand the set-asides of all the HighSchools ? Especially now that SHSAT will be cancelled soon.

GregsTutoringNYC
11-22-2018, 09:02 PM
Is this true now. Do many HS now have set asides ? Anyone has a reference link to understand the set-asides of all the HighSchools ?

https://www.schools.nyc.gov/enrollment/enrollment-help/meeting-student-needs/diversity-in-admissions#jump-to-heading-40


Especially now that SHSAT will be cancelled soon.

AFAIK no such cancellation determination has been made. IMO all we've seen is grandstanding and sloppily so (to put it nicely). The choices are many here, really really many, and hopefully all parties involved can see through the muck to reach those choices.

QueensMom
11-23-2018, 10:38 AM
Thanks Greg. [QUOTE]https://www.schools.nyc.gov/enrollment/enrollment-help/meeting-student-needs/diversity-in-admissions#jump-to-heading-40

I went to one of the CEC meets to understand the SHSAT cancellation/replacement pitch. It was a weird weird drama. Couldn't get one question answered ! It is most certainly on its way out; SHSAT, especially now that State Senate is in progressive control. Only compromise might be stretched implementation or SHSAT having a 25% weight. or a Quarter of seats... while 60/70% seats will be eventually handed out to achieve diversity of income/race/ELL/middle schools. Principal's recommendation ( a few seats) from each school will also considered. Pure Test-based ranking is going going gone.

parentnyc1mp
11-23-2018, 01:59 PM
you have to look at the school's website for most up to date info or the DOEs diversity initiative page. I know Millenium Bk and Bard Queens set aside starting this year. On another board, Millennium Manhattan JUST CHANGED their admission priorities this week week - #1 is still kids below Houston st, but they get rid of #2 Manhattan. now its open to any boro after #1

GregsTutoringNYC
11-23-2018, 03:12 PM
Thanks Greg. [QUOTE]I went to one of the CEC meets to understand the SHSAT cancellation/replacement pitch. It was a weird weird drama. Couldn't get one question answered ! It is most certainly on its way out; SHSAT, especially now that State Senate is in progressive control. Only compromise might be stretched implementation or SHSAT having a 25% weight. or a Quarter of seats... while 60/70% seats will be eventually handed out to achieve diversity of income/race/ELL/middle schools. Principal's recommendation ( a few seats) from each school will also considered. Pure Test-based ranking is going going gone.

Yes, I saw one such meeting on YouTube, politics at its finest. Actually worse, because not only did they double talk every question they did not even know the answer to most and those they gave were red herrings. And IMO for every problem with the SHSAT there is X more awaiting via its removal. There is a problem but their solution does not reach diversity and is a solution looking for a problem that will take even more years to fix as it pretends to be implemented.

There is already some other weak solutions that TPTB could have moved on or at least tried to move on and that they haven't either means there is lots of hope still or they're waiting for the right time to snipe.

Also, while the mayor is getting flack I'm not convinced he actually agrees with the words coming out of his mouth nor that he agrees with his chancellor. Joy joy on both :(