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    any areas with guarenteed good elementary, middle and high schools?

    Hi all, we have a 5 year old son who currently is in a good elementary school in Brooklyn. We are renting but looking to buy in the next year (700-800k budget for 2 bedroom), so are looking for an area that has guaranteed (or as close as possible to guaranteed) good elementary, middle and high schools. In Brooklyn, admissions to good middle schools seems to be a lottery. Are there areas in Queens or Long Island that meet this criteria, where admissions is based on address? We are considering New Jersey (Summit and Westfield) but ideally would like live in a location with a higher walkability score, like Queens or Long Island.

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    Although there are schools which do consistently well, usually you won't get all three of elementary, middle and high school.

    Secondly, there is no guarantees and some schools over years can fluctuate so can be on the rise or decline and you won't know about it until you're in the thick or it because it will be happening live organically. Could be a change in principal. Could be a bunch of things. Also, with recent discussions about diversity, possible removal of the SHSAT, etc. the whole complete dynamics of middle schools could literally change overnight and take years to re-metabolize itself.

    BTW, currently admission to some middle schools includes and admissions test, although the number of schools with such is small. Note that unlike years ago where you were just placed into your local middle school you now go through a middle school selection process. Some will take local kids some will take commuting kids. Get a copy of this years middle school handbook (it is online) and give it a look to start getting some ideas about where the schools are, what their admissions deets are, etc. So you could be moving where you child is not going to school. Yadda yadda.

    This all said, what matters just as much and sometimes more is the family unit and the child.
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    Carolinejq, eastern Queens has good zoned schools for all three. (Bayside, Douglaston, Little Neck) For the amount you're looking to spend, smaller townhouses and condos/co-ops might fit the bill. For LI, think Great Neck, Manhasset if you want to be closer to the city with a shorter LIRR commute. The Jericho and Syosset school districts further out are way better than the NJ towns you are looking at. The problem with NJ is that while the township elementary schools by can be great, they later feed into mediocre central high schools. Definitely try renting first to get a feel. You'd be surprised how many return to the crappy NYC system after giving it a go elsewhere, especially if you are a native Brooklynite. Check websites like schooldigger.com for school reports and zillow/realtor.com for real estate prices. Never undersestimate the annual property taxes that go up in LI or in NJ if looking to buy. Good luck.

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    FWIW, here's a list of some of the more top ranked middle schools. This list is not intended to be complete. And what it means is up to you. Some of these school require admissions testing. Some are K-8.

    IS 239 Mark Twain
    IS 98 Bay Academy
    IS 187 Christa McAuliffe
    MS 234 Arthur Cunningham
    MS 201 Dyker Heights
    MS 259 William McKinley
    MS 51 William Alexander
    MS 447 Math and Science Exploratory
    IS 180 Seeall Academy
    IS 686 Brooklyn School of Inquiry

    MS 54 Booker T. Washington
    MS 412 NYC Lab
    MS 539 New Explorations into Science, Technology and Math School
    MS 167 Robert F. Wagner
    MS 114 East Side Middle School
    MS 255 Salk School of Science
    PS 334 Anderson
    IS 104 Simon Baruch

    MS 74 Nathaniel Hawthorne
    MS 216 George J. Ryan
    MS 185 Edward Bleeker
    MS 158 Marie Curie
    MS 67 Louis Pasteur
    IS 73 Frank Sansivieri
    MS 580 Baccalaureate School for Global Education
    IS 119 Glendale
    IS 194 William Carr
    IS 190 Russell Sage
    IS 237 Rachel Carson
    IS 157 Stephen A. Halsey
    IS 5 Walter Crowley
    PS 122 Mamie Fay
    IS 125 Thom J. McCann Woodside

    Look these up in the middle school handbooks for further details whether location, admissions process, etc.
    Last edited by GregsTutoringNYC; 11-21-2018 at 06:26 AM.
    Passionate tutor of Elementary School subjects specializing in NY state tests, and the specialized high/middle school tests (SHSAT, Hunter, TACHS/CHSEE, ISEE, SSAT, ERB, ...)

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    Note the district the school is in, as admissions have changed and will continue. District 15 (Park Slope such as MS51) schools are no longer screened - it is a lottery process with 50% reserved for ELL, Low Income, Homeless. For one Manhattan district (I think UWS), i believe 25% is set aside for low scorers for middle schools). High schools are also setting aside around 50 % to ELL, Low income, etc. (Bard Queens, Brooklyn Millennium this year)

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    Thank you very much! It's good to know about there not being any guarantees here.


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